Simply because I couldn’t find any load data for a 230gr in the 30 Nosler. The Nosler case, however, is strengthened, and like other Nosler cartridges, it is designed with an overall length that allows it to function in standard .30-06 length actions. We offer a wide variety of shooting products for sportsmen and women at discounted prices while providing flat rate shipping and discounts to members of the military and first responders. Same bolt, same receiver = big deal in my book. I’d add that a 30 nosler will have much faster throat erosion than a 300NM imp. Ryan I love you man. The 300 prc will do the same. To fire /practice enough rounds to be effective matters ! out of an unbelted case, and fits into.30-’06 Sprg.-length actions. I'm curious why you think that? I know for a fact that 570 runs hotter than H1000. I can run my 300NM improved at higher velocity’s with lower pressure. Personally I wouldn't do a straight 300 Norma. I looked at the 28 Nosler but couldn't do it as there was too much overlap with my 300 Win Mag. With a 215 Berger seated with bottom of bullet bearing surface at bottom of case neck. And lets not forget the 300 H&H, .308 Norma, 30 Nosler, 300 PRC, and all the rest. 300 Win case head to bullet O-give with comparator = 2.730″. The 30 Nosler is down 2-3 grains from the 30-28 Nosler. In the hands of a Specialist, any of the four (and my current favourite, the 338NM)I suspect it wouldn’t matter. I’ve compared the 300 Norma Mag, the 338 Lapua Mag, and the 30 Nosler here for you. Also, you can just swap the barrel and have a 26 Nosler, 28 Nosler, or 33 Nosler! The 300 PRC is 0.29" longer The 338 Lapua can launch much heavier bullets so, to try to keep the comparisons as fair as possible, I’ve include both the data for a 250gr bullet and also a 300gr bullet. In my opinion Berger bullets are better target bullets than hunting bullets. i think if you want a 30 nos get one! If you also change the magazine, you can shoot a 300 Win Mag too if you like! There is no such thing as a standard magnum action. Norma = 95 gr. When it comes to wind, the rounds seem to pair off at 2,000 yards. Reamers need to be speced right, rifles build well… However, this is a graph of some fairly closely matched cartridges – the difference isn’t really that much. You do realize that Berger 230 grain bullets can be loaded to magazine length in the 300 Win Mag. I’m done I’m out. Have you found any 230-grain data for the Nosler, or any 215-grain data for the Norma that would permit a like-for-like comparison? Thanks for this: it makes for interesting reading. Example last podcast you said you can’t kill a deer with a 50 bmg by shooting it in the antler. 28 Nosler Load Data; 300 AAC Blackout Load Data; 30-30 Winchester Load Data; 30/40 Krag Load Data; 308 Marlin Express Load Data; 300 Savage Load Data; 308 Winchester Load Data; 30 Thompson Center Load Data; 30-06 Springfield Load Data; 300 Ruger Compact Magnum (RCM) Load Data; 308 Norma Magnum Load Data; 30-06 Springfield Ackley Improved Load Data 30 Noslers shoot. The 30 Nosler is still too new to predict if it will stay on the market for long. The reports I’ve heard of the Canadian SF operator who pulled off (with a LOT of help from his No.2 is really stretching the piece of string in long range shooting. Ryan, wondering why you choose to compare the 215 Berger in the Nosler to the 230 in the Norma. I have found the Barnes LRX, TTXXX, the Nosler LR Accubonds are better choices for hunting. And now for the 300 PRC, yes it can do something the 300 Win Mag can’t – load newer longer high BC bullets and still fit in a standard mag. by Ryan Cleckner Mar 13, 2017 28 comments 4.7 (45). I feel the larger 338 bore will last longer with the hotter powder just due to charge wt/bore size ratio. No, I don’t pretend to. Case diameter is the same. Note that the lighter 338 Lapua (green) and the 30 Nosler (orange) both go below the speed of sound by 2,000 yards. Too much overlap there so that idea got scrapped. I run N570 in my 338 rum and 300nmi. However, there’s probably an example of an animal sting because they couldn’t walk to water or they got an infection or something. Let me be clear – I do not think that the 30 Nosler is “better” than the current standard 38 Lapua. For example, note how close the 250gr bullet out of the 338 Lapua (green) is to the 230gr bullet out of the 300 Norma (blue). That's out performing a lapua and lot of edges. Again your switching and dodging you should run for office. These two cases run right with each other, but I'll take the 35° shoulder over the 20° any day. 30 Nos OAL (case head to bullet tip) = 3.595″. This is about what would be expected for bullets all traveling about the same speed – heaviest bullet with the most energy and the lightest with the least. JavaScript is disabled. Mag. This is a BIG difference to the guy that has to carry and operate the rifle! The 338 Lapua kicks more than the 300 Norma (heavier bullet) and the narrower 30 cal bullet from the 300 Norma is performing better when launched at high velocities. The .300 Winchester Magnum is … Neck Length = .293″. Choose the best weapons, improve their shooting and increase their knowledge on their rights. https://gununiversity.com/300-norma-mag-vs-338-lapua-vs-30-nosler This efficient new cartridge rivals the velocity and energy of the proven .338 Lapua Magnum while using significantly less powder. As I mentioned when I first broke the news, the magic of this cartridge is really seen when the Berger 230gr. Off topic but you say alot of chit you know nothing about. 300 Win Mag: Nosler = 95 gr. Thank you. Not a 30 nosler but i got a 300 norma imp and its amazing, 230 bergers...wow. A Norma Imp runs right around 110grs of capacity. I am mostly a hunter though I have competed in matches. The Nosler … In fact, there’s less of an energy difference at 1,000 meters between the 300 Norma and the 300 Win Mag (the weakest of the 3 alternatives) than there is between the 300 Norma Mag and the 338 Lapua Mag. This is because the round is so efficient and it packs a punch down-range. Springfield Armory Hellcat Review [2020]: Is It Worth It. As a matter of mirror-image fact, the two cases are extremely similar. For example, I’d say that you can’t kill and animal by shooting them in the hoof. Again this OAL length is holding the cartridge back in factory ammo and once again a major reason Hornady designed the 300 PRC. Everyone seems to be excited about this cartridge and I am seeing it pop up in rifles more and more. (I do neck size the brass though I bump it back a couple of thousandths after a few firings.) Be the first to rate this post. Maybe better ES yes. May toast a barrel in 1,000 rounds but guys are getting close to 3,100 with a 230. Shoot 3 rounds through a barrel with 570 and then with H1000 and grab ahold of it with your hand and see which one is hotter. I’ve had a few questions about this so I decided to do a better comparison for you! Then you have to know where more pressure equals less barrel life compared to more powder. My point is that if you are going to make a major change, you might as well go with something that gives you a big benefit. Anyway, good article on 3 great rounds. Like I said the 300 prc IS NOT doing anything the 300 Win Mag has already been doing. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. Don’t give up your 338 Lapua Magnum (338LM) for the 300 Norma (300NM) just yet. The G1 bc will be .717. Join our mailing list to receive the latest news and updates from our team. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to amazon.com and affiliated sites. The necks are virtually the same length. Just a year or so ago I wrote that the 30 Nosler was arguably the single best-designed .30-caliber magnum in existence. 300 WIN MAG VS 300 PRC. Same cartridge base and body diameter, smaller bullet. You said 6.5 Creedmoor was not for elk. So close, right across the spetrum. The 30 Nosler, like my 338-375 Ruger BearCat, utilizes a Standard Action. Bertram = 100 gr. At 2000yards the Norma is 1041 vs Lapua is 1052 advantage Lapua, again speed at target. Step up to RL26/N570 and you can get over 3100 these are with accuracy in my rifles, but barrel heats up quite quickly and they're dirty double based nitro powder. The 230 gr Berger has a G1BC of 0.717 and when shot at 3050 fps from the 300NM under standard conditions (sea level, 59 degrees F, 50% humidity) is subsonic at 2000 yds with 403 ft-lbs of energy. In a rare feat, I was the first one to break the news that SOCOM chose the 300 Norma Mag round for their new Advanced Sniper Rifle (ASR). The 338LM using the Badlands Precision 250 gr bullet (G1BC 0.760) when shot also at 3050 fps is still supersonic at 2000 yds with 1.8X the energy (738 ft-lbs). Let’s look at a few of the contenders Hornady’s taking on with its .300 PRC, namely the .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Remington Ultra Magnum, .300 Norma Magnum, and .30 Nosler. You just didn’t know that but your ego/pride won’t let you admit it. The .300 RUM is a more realistic choice than the .30-378 in a standard weight sporter rifle if a hunter needs this much power. Once you build a single shot, you realize how sweet they are. And because the 30 Nosler has a belt-less case, it’s more accurate and makes for easier reloading. Hornady .300 PRC (left) and 30 Nosler 30 Nosler vs. Hornady .300 PRC. We can go out to 4 K , Felix Canyon Ranch LLC Flying H, New Mexico. The lighter 338 Lapua and the 30 Nosler meet up with the most wind-drift and the heavier 338 Lapua and the 300 Norma meet up with the least. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. Gets close to ultramag vel with a bit less powder and is easy to fit in standard long action. I do like the 300 Norma. For each ballistic table/chart, I used the following atmospheric data: 29.61 in/Hg station pressure, 70 degrees, 35% humidity, 10 mph full-value wind. All I’m getting at is that the 30 nosler isn’t a big enough leap to change the XM M24. I for one have had a lot more trouble getting belted cartridges to shoot small groups than non belted ones. I LOVE 30 cal. It seems there’s always a defense argument for that round by what you would think is the inventor! Pick ur poison. Here’s the math out to 2,000 yards for the 338 Lapua with a 250gr Berger: Here’s the math out to 2,000 yards for the 338 Lapua with a 300gr Berger: It’s no secret that I think that SOCOM should’ve chosen one of the new Nosler family of cartridges. Sub 10lb with optics sporter from a bipod. There is your Short Action, Standard Action (AKA: Long) and Magnum Action. I am no expert, but, I have hunted and shot Rifles all my life. Ryan is a former special operations sniper (1/75 Ranger) and current firearms attorney, firearms industry executive, university lecturer, and bestselling author of the Long Range Shooting Handbook. Yes, I run N570. and those same bullets will be going over 2900 FPS out of a 300 WM. The Nosler ballistics team, long respected in the hunting and shooting industry for reliable and precise reloading data, is the driving force behind Nosler® Trophy Grade™ Ammunition. WRONG Ryan watch Keith Warren kill a deer with a 50 bmg that he completely missed. The 30 Nosler is down 2-3 grains from the 30-28 Nosler. I agree with all that. Handloaders can take advantage of all … Great work, very helpful. Also, I have a 6.5x284 for Coues and looked at the 6.5 PRC. This performance from the 338LM is easily achieved from a 26″ Kreiger barrel (9.35 twist), using high quality Peterson brass and RL26 powder. My throat moves about .003 every hundred rounds - not bad for big magnum!! I’ve been thinking of switching my 338 Lapua to a Nosler as well. I also like and have had the 300 WM and the 300 RUM. Recoil, barrel life and round cost effect the budget of many units . Thanks Mark. That said I would not build a 30 cal for the application @topclass2017 mentions. Your wrong again two strikes. However, I’ll save the argument for another article. 300 Win OAL (case head to bullet tip) = 3.690″. The 30 Nosler was introduced in 2016 and in SAAMI form has a OAL of 3.34”. Nosler has just introduced a new SAAMI-spec .338-caliber cartridge, the 33 Nosler, which is based on the 404 Jeffrey parent case. Went through this myself over the past couple of months. Shooter’s Pro Shop is the only authorized dealer of Nosler Factory Seconds and Over-Runs including Nosler product lines such as SSA, Noveske and Varmageddon. But I have no desire to get into any further depth about it as I don't think you're really curious about anything I wrote: you know what you know and I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'll change your mind. For those that don’t know, Nosler created a new family of cartridges which all use the same parent case and offered them in 26, 28, 20 and 33 caliber. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. Your email address will not be published. @ HeHe, Ryan did say he shot an elk with a 6.5 Creedmoor in Wyoming. I have a 300 Win Mag that flat out rocks but I want a new rifle. Am I alone on this? If you’d like a more in-depth look at the 300 Norma Mag, please check out our article: 300 Norma Mag Ballistics Here’s the math out to 2,000 yards for the 300 Norma with a 230gr. AccuBond) 30 Nosler. This girl is definitely the hot new-girl in town. In that article, I mentioned that it was an interested choice and gave some basic comparisons to other cartridges. 30 Nosler: Nosler = 99 gr. Yes but is a bit shorter than the 338 lap case. Who or what company would you recommend? You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. And, based on just this info, I’m not sure I understand that change to en entirely new cartridge when the 338 Lapua is already the military sniping community standard. ADG = 101 gr. It is not an efficient cartridge, but it is perhaps the best choice for shots on tough animals such as elk and moose beyond 700 yards. It's hot and pretty **** dirty, I clean every 30 rounds and there is a lot of carbon. I'm using 93gr @ 3.92 coal and I'm cruising right around 2830fps from a 28" barrel, with half moa or better accuracy a low teens ES. 500-600 round barrel life." Today, I have to give that nod to the .300 PRC. Ryan you said emphatically “guys you can’t kill a deer with a 50 bmg by shooting it in the antlers” your wrong. dont take this the wrong way im not in any way arguing with you, but correct me if I'm wrong but to achieve said "Lower Pressures" but gain higher velocity your running let me guess N570, N565 RL26 RL33? I'm with Alex, on a custom action it's not much different in cost for a Lapua bolt face and a standard magnum. ADG 30 nosler brass holds almost 101gr, standard 300nm holds 103. Easier to run the bolt, smaller rifle, and smaller ammo to carry! But, it’s a way to look at it. The beauty of the 30 Nosler is that you don’t need an XL action (like you do for BOTH the 338 Lapu and 300 Norma) and instead you a standard 300 Win Mag size receiver! The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated “standard” velocity cartridges. 300 Norma Mag, 338 Lapua Mag, and 30 Nosler Wind Chart. The .300 Norma Magnum is also another cartridge which offers some excellent long-range ballistics, and has grabbed the attention of the U.S. Army. and instead recommends the 30-28 nosler, 300 norma and improved, and 300 PRC stating that each has 75% less throat erosion than the 28 nosler and with essentially identical ballistics. Hunters these days now have a dizzying array of .30 caliber magnum cartridges to choose from like the .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 Weatherby Magnum, .30 Nosler, 300 WSM, .300 Norma Magnum, and the .300 Remington Ultra Magnum (among others). Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. I appreciate the support… I think? Don't forget larger cases require more powder to get the same speed as smaller cases even if the pressure is lower. I reload a lot of cartridges. The 300 Norma will launch the bullet at just over 3,000 fps and get some great down-range results. So the pressure is lower but your burning more powder to get the same effect. The big gun and ammunition companies have responded to that demand in kind. do you have a pressure test gauge on your barrel? The Lapua brass is super tough and would lean me that way if I was building a custom from scratch. Trajectory (200 yd Zero with 180 gr. Most people know there is no free lunch and N570/R-33 cost barrel life for more velocity. with a 6.5 Creedmoor with one shot and I just killed an elk in Wyoming with one too? The 300 NM needs a Magnum length action. For the record the 300 PRC cannot do anything the 300 Win Mag has not been doing. Now I will be the odd man out that has never seen a huge difference in case design as far as performance. Gun Sales and Manufacturing Statistics [2021], FFL eZ CHECK – What it Is / How it Works [2021], Shipping Firearms Guide [2021] How to Ship a Gun. The 30 Nosler cartridge delivers better ballistics than the.300 Win. Trying to divert to your Africa hunt. You really think you know what’s best for SOCOM? Thanks for taking the time & effort needed for Gun University. Come out and shoot with me some time. Compare these rounds in the charts below. The 30-28 Nosler and standard 300 Norma are almost identical in capacity. I can not figure out the 6.5 fanboy deal??? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Originally designed for hunting. Trying new load in a rifle so I bought 3 lbs of powder and 200 bullets in last week, both had more in stock when i left store so feel lucky.
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